3:05 PM |
. . .
There IS an echo in here!
When I say sophist, the echo says sophist. When I say bullshit, the echo says bullshit. When I say spinning, the echo says spinning.
The echo effect is another good old public relations tactic to confuse people. Another way is to accuse people of what you yourself are doing. Oh, and when you run out of things to say, or the other person stops responding, you can confuse people more by going all the way back to the beginning and starting again.
See? Easy! Now you too can bullshit your way to the top, just like the government of Samoa and their ethically easy supporters who would rather die than admit they're wrong.
All sorts of fun. If I say "Peni has obviously run out of things to say and is making another clumsy attempt at confusing people by simply repeating what I write, and should probably shut up now" I wonder what the echo will say?
Is that your real name Peni? Peni? Peni?
. . .
2009/6/6 Peni <peniamina89@gmail.com>
I think you try to bllsht us again. You the sophist here. You pick the
one who makes up stories and tries to tell everyone it is the truth.
Like Ono said the commissioner was judged by Samoans, he apologized
and was forgiven. But, there was no apology from that lady about what
she done. No apology from TVNZ. Now you defame the commissioner by
calling him "corrupt." How do you get away with such make-ups? You
should know that there were no death threats against that woman. She
made that one up to. to make the drama. Now you blame the govenment to
say they spin it but it was her that made the story in the first place
and you are the one spinning.
On Jun 4, 7:54 pm, avaiki - jason brown <avaiki.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> . . .
>
> *interesting points olly, ono ivi and peni,*
> www.pacificfreedomforum.blogspot.comhttp://avaiki.nius.googlepages.comwww.jpkupdate.blogspot.com> **
> I back what Olly has to say about TVNZ's Pacific correspondent. Between a
> reporter and a police commissioner, I'd pick the one who wasn't caught
> smuggling guns.
>
> Attempts by Peni and Ono Ivi to explain this away that it was only one or
> two guns, or that everyone has a gun for shooting pigs or bats, or that
> there are some cultural sensitivities involved are forgetting one simple
> fact: the police commissioner is sworn to uphold the law of the land and *he
> broke those laws*.
>
> Not *palagi *laws. Not *Western *laws. Laws of *Samoa*, agreed to by
> democratically elected representatives, all from Samoa? Or is Samoa like the
> US, where the law seems to be an optional extra? Or New Zealand for that
> matter?
>
> I agree that mainstream media treatment of island neighbours should be
> monitored, debated and, when appropriate, complained about. Ono Ivi says
> that "may" be the case but I'd like to go further and say that "will" always
> be the case.
>
> The price of freedom is eternal vigilence.
>
> But where will Peni and Ono Ivi draw the line? Obviously a corrupt
> commissioner, drugs, smuggled guns, death threats and "evil" headlines are
> not enough for them. What is? Will it take the death of a colleague to cause
> alarm?
>
> The funny thing is that previously the Samoa media and TVNZ have been close
> allies on wide ranging issues and all of a sudden this relationship has
> soured, in fact been conquered and divided for reasons unknown ... *umm* ...
>
> *oh, hang on ... i get it now! ... create an artificial controversy and
> watch the media fall apart under intense manipulation of ethical and
> cultural considerations ... very clever guys! wheels within wheels , )*
> **
> *manuia,*
> **
> *jas*
>
> . . .
>
> jason brown
> +64 21 024 84 560
>
>> 2009/6/3 Aaron Taouma <aaron.taou...@gmail.com>
> "According to Forrester Research, Enterprise 2.0, the corporate version of
> Web 2.0 will become a $4.6 billion industry by 2013."
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8555
>
> . . .
>
>> > Pacific issues as they pertain to the media.- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> > Olly, Peni and others,
>
> > Yes, it is a continuing debate - how far does one take things when
> > exploring "the issues."
>
> > With ehtics there are other issues,
>
> > Are Pacific Islands ethics different to Palagi or Western ethics?
>
> > And, in presenting stories to a Western audience, how much gets lost in
> > translation or is transmuted into something else for the sake of
> > presentation?
>
> > Are journalists following the correct line of ethics when approaching
> > stories - especially stories dealing with Pacific issues?
>
> > Just think of so many of the presentations on Pacific issues in the past -
> > negative, assumptive, generalised, sensationalised, judgmental, or just
> > plain wrong.
>
> > There are many issues around this story and others.
>
> > It is something we may need to continually keep an eye on.
>
> > Don't forget other stories are being produced all the time and need to have
> > just as much scrutiny and debate as this one has generated.
>
> > A new website being launched by the Human Rights Commission and the Pacific
> > Cooperation Foundation may add to the debate.
>
> > The website link is:http://www.pacificmediaandhumanrights.com/
>
> > (though it is currently not online until July - but keep it in mind)
>
> > To this, I hope everyone on this forum and others continue to discuss
>
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