Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Re: [pima.nius] Business Insider | Journalism Tops List Of The Most Useless College Degrees

4:51 PM |

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Oh, yes, all funding models have their problems.
Private media can be overly beholden to advertiser and investor interests. Public media,
to the government of the day. But at this point in time, it is the private media that is clearly
failing, and failing bad. Again, at this point in time, it is my view that public funding is urgently
needed to plug the gaping holes in journalism, and the knock-on effects this is having on society,
worldwide.

As Robie points out, there are still plenty of places where media are thriving, especially in the 
East and parts of Africa. Heck, even the NZHerald reports increased circulation - but only after 
years of decline. Plus, global corruption is centred mainly in the west and mainly, I feel, due to
corporate capture of private AND public media a la Rupert Murdoch, and, the monstrously 
undermined BBC news services.

My informal complaint against AUT and other academic centres is that while other regions have 
held numerous meetings and other academic activities on the journalism crisis, here (and in
Australia) there has been deafening silence - until the letter signed by 61 academics. That's some
three YEARS after the issue first started coming up. Glad to hear however that at least one 
academic has been raising the issue privately. Did he suggest any solutions?

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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Dominika White <dominika.mail@gmail.com> wrote:
That's interesting, I didn't get that vibe from AUT in fact one lecturer Wayne Hope was an avid and open challenger of the way the industry was disappearing due to existing business models. But public funding of the fourth estate publicly would have problems as well. What's your view on this?

 
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM, avaiki - jason brown <avaiki.nius@gmail.com> wrote:

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thanks dominika,

I think what Business Insider laid out was comparing the rate of journalism grads with job growth (or loss in our case) ... providing a fact based approach to how useful degrees are in getting paid work.

Agreed, it is most useful to learn about bias and other dangers of mass media. And it is encouraging to learn that students were warned about the lack of job prospects in journalism. 

But I don't agree I imply that students are naive. What I am trying to say is that, like the news media, AUT and other unis appear to favour corporate-speak about "new" business "models" and technical "innovation" for journalism rather than challenging wholesale decimation of an industry profession essential for the safe functioning of society and democracy.

We are fond of talking about the fourth estate but compared with the first, second and third estates, journalism is getting peanuts - or maybe just peanut skins!

thanks for the comment,

jas

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Dominika White <dominika.mail@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi Jason,

As a journalism graduate I was fully aware that jobs would be very limited before I started the degree and was reminded about this during my studies at AUT. You seem to imply that students naively go into a journalism degree without knowledge of this. 

I didn't think my communications degree was useless at all, it made me understand the dangers of mass media such as biases, inaccuracies - something I think a lot more people should know.

Dominika 


On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:30 AM, pima news <pima.nius@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 20 June 2011 16:04, avaiki - jason brown <avaiki.nius@gmail.com> wrote:

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Further to questions raised for Robie at AUT, here is an article from Business Insider in the US:
Journalism Tops List Of The Most Useless College Degrees
Be nice for journalism students to know how similar NZ is to the US and, more importantly, how few jobs will be available after they've paid tens of thousands of dollars into AUT coffers. Most likely response: more personal insults instead of facts ?

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